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Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby Tourist Trap » Aug 06, 2017 19:33

Hi,

After a short look at sourceforge, I'm observing with some surprise that there is not too much submitted stuff there under the freebasic banner. I'm quite convinced anyway that plenty of things that are softwares made in fb, or very close to deserve this name, or even utilities, exist and are having a life all around the world, with plenty of users, so I find we could start some listing.

Besides that, I'm not quite sure of what could be the purest fb masterpiece ever created (left aside the fb compiler rendition itself maybe), and I'm very curious to get the answer. What I know for sure is that there are plenty of competitors in all kinds of domains. And not only free softwares and games, but also commercial stuff in many branches of the industry or the science. I know that a user in this forum working in some administration at a cartography office has shared a youtube video of a quite nice piece of work just some weeks ago, but I can't remember the name of it for now. So anyway, fb entered the administrations.

Without any claim of completion (or I wouldn't ask the question of the topic) I can try to start with a few things met around this forum that I can remember at this moment:
  • eschecs (rolland chastaing)
  • sobrango (luis babionni)
  • Pos (gablea)
  • Jasc Soccer (Pitto)
  • ...
I dont remember if FBEDIT was or not, at least in part, made in FB.

I'm quite convinced that Sobrango, the chess engine made by Babionni (ouch I'm not sure this is the good author name, sorry), has a real footprint in its domain. Even if the domain itself is quite a restricted one with a few specialist with very special skills. Whatever that's made in FB and fully functional, and that's what I'm looking for.

Thanks for the reading. If you have any example of any kind, let's share it.
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby Josep Roca » Aug 06, 2017 20:09

Looks like they prefer GitHub to SourceForge.
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby Tourist Trap » Aug 07, 2017 16:56

Josep Roca wrote:Looks like they prefer GitHub to SourceForge.

The problem in this is that, not that I'm crazy of SourceForge but it has a good browsing system. And what I think also is that it is really possible to recruit freebasic new users by feeding the SF directory with good Freebasic stuff. This is something very underestimated and it's unfortunate. Moreover, it's not the first time that I've been checking the SF browser for FB stuff without real success at all. So we can suppose that we could do better in this way ( if FB has to gain in visibility, and it surely has ;) ).
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby St_W » Aug 07, 2017 20:18

Tourist Trap wrote:The problem in this is that, not that I'm crazy of SourceForge but it has a good browsing system. And what I think also is that it is really possible to recruit freebasic new users by feeding the SF directory with good Freebasic stuff. [...]
I think that more new software developers are going to use GitHub nowadays instead of sourceforge, which has a somewhat bad reputation. Unfortunately FreeBasic is not well-known enough to be available on GitHub for selection as project programming language info (that's why the FreeBasic compiler is categorized as "Visual Basic" code).
But I agree that publishing information about FreeBasic and FreeBasic projects would contribute to make FB known by more people and get additional users. But that is not restricted to projects on github and sourceforge, but applies to anything FB related like blogs, websites, ...
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby Tourist Trap » Aug 07, 2017 22:18

St_W wrote:But I agree that publishing information about FreeBasic and FreeBasic projects would contribute to make FB known by more people and get additional users.

The use of OpenGl could lead to simple yet impressive demos. I know I loved a software found at SF named Celestia times ago. It was simply a planetarium with models of the planets and some information about. For me it's hard all of this to code since I didnt dive into OpenGl for now, because of my learning path. But I'm quite sure that this could be handled easily otherwise thanks to the Freebasic support of OpenGl. People love astronomy anyway so here is one example among others of apealing stuff.
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby sancho2 » Aug 07, 2017 23:58

Hi Tourist:
Yes, FBEdit is written in FB.
You also forgot to mention that FB is written in FB.
I have been following the thread titled "Update???" in the 'games' forum and there is a lot of FB software at Lachie Dazdarian's web site.
Unfortunately much of FB's code base is very old and the associated links often not working.
More:
Sarg's FBDebugger is also written in FB (I have compiled it a few times and it compiles easy).
Paul Squires WinFBE is written in FB.
There is a rougue-like game/tutorial that actually first brought me here.
Jose Roca's CWindow classes although these are designed to be used with FB so maybe that doesn't count.
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby Tourist Trap » Aug 08, 2017 19:44

sancho2 wrote:Hi Tourist:
Yes, FBEdit is written in FB.
You also forgot to mention that FB is written in FB.

Yes. And thanks for those items. I've mentioned that FB is written in FB but for a part it relies heavily on crt.bi if I'm not mistaken. But C run-time lib is only a dependancy as far as I can see.

The important thing you're pointing out sancho2 here, in my opinion, is that we have categories of softwares which constitutes some FB galaxy. We have the core, the sun maybe, with FB, and FB related softwares and libraries. Utilities like FBDebugger are of this sort, and of course desserve a special mention. However this won't be sufficient to add equipment to the core that constitutes the compiler if you want to attract newcomers around our favourite galaxy. We need other stars and planets, shining and colourful.

In many categories of software we need to provide a sample of the capability of FB to exhibit an equivalent to what is classically done in every languages. Even silly things like a pacman remake wouldn't be useless. The fact is that there is almost nothing found on SF. And as said above, GitHub has no FB category for the moment. Why is this? I just can't explain it indeed, since a lot of FB stuff is stored there.
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby St_W » Aug 08, 2017 20:38

Tourist Trap wrote:
sancho2 wrote:Yes, FBEdit is written in FB.
You also forgot to mention that FB is written in FB.

Yes. And thanks for those items. I've mentioned that FB is written in FB but for a part it relies heavily on crt.bi if I'm not mistaken. But C run-time lib is only a dependancy as far as I can see.
Large parts are written in MASM32 Assembler, which is basically assembler with some convenience macros for simple things like IF-clauses , functions, etc.
(just FYI)
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby sancho2 » Aug 09, 2017 2:16

Over at Lachie's site that I linked there is a pac man style game(screen shot)
Again the age of the compiler is a benefit as it is clearly a mature compiler. But that age has that massive drawback of so much software lost to history.
Now that there are very few users, large, flashy, demonstratable code is few and far between. So the user base dwindles even more.
I truely think that if programmers would take the time to try it out they would drop their bias against all things BASIC. It is a worthy peer to C++, python, C#, Java.
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby Roland Chastain » Aug 09, 2017 6:53

Hello! Yes, it would be a good idea to make an updated list of favourite FB software.

One of the best FB programs I know is FreeBasic Miner. My children play with it since years. :)

As I couldn't find a valid link, I uploaded the file on my website:

FreeBasicMiner.zip

Screenshots here.
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby Roland Chastain » Aug 09, 2017 7:05

Some other good programs:

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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby BasicCoder2 » Aug 09, 2017 7:22

Roland Chastain wrote:One of the best FB programs I know is FreeBasic Miner. My children play with it since years. :)
As I couldn't find a valid link, I uploaded the file on my website:
FreeBasicMiner.zip


Windows 10 Defender Blocks the downloading claiming virus detected?
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby St_W » Aug 09, 2017 7:43

sancho2 wrote:I didn't know that much was written in assembly language. That makes it even more impressive that DKL and others are able to track and fix bugs.

I don't know if we were talking about the same things. To avoid a misunderstanding: I was talking about FBedit (not the FreeBasic compiler). AFAIK dkl wasn't involved in that project - FBedit is more or less the work of a single author: "KetilO". If the misunderstand is on my side please just ignore this post :-)
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby Roland Chastain » Aug 09, 2017 7:49

BasicCoder2 wrote:
Roland Chastain wrote:One of the best FB programs I know is FreeBasic Miner. My children play with it since years. :)
As I couldn't find a valid link, I uploaded the file on my website:
FreeBasicMiner.zip


Windows 10 Defender Blocks the downloading claiming virus detected?


I realize that the file I uploaded isn't the original package and contains only one file. Sorry.

I can't find the original package on my hard disk. I made a new package from the files I have and uploaded it (same link).

I don't know why you get a virus warning. Eternal problem...
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Re: Any list of softwares made in fb?

Postby Roland Chastain » Aug 09, 2017 8:00

Roland Chastain wrote:I can't find the original package on my hard disk. I made a new package from the files I have and uploaded it (same link).


One can find the original package here:

http://free-basic.ru/fbminer.html

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