The Wiki is broken.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Feb 04, 2009 6:47

The Wiki is broken and I need to access it. I get to the main page, http://www.freebasic.net/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=DocToc but anything i click on gives an error:

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 19456 bytes) in /home/fb/public_html/wiki/actions/fbdoc.php on line 47

KristopherWindsor · Post by **KristopherWindsor** » Feb 04, 2009 8:38

It's back now. ;)

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Feb 04, 2009 8:41

hmmm... nope.

TheMG · Post by **TheMG** » Feb 04, 2009 16:11

Fine for me.

Bob the Hamster · Post by **Bob the Hamster** » Feb 04, 2009 19:54

It is broken for me too. Actually, only some pages are broken. For example, http://www.freebasic.net/wiki/wikka.php ... gFullIndex says:

Code: Select all

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 19456 bytes) in /home/fb/public_html/wiki/actions/fbdoc.php on line 47

but pages for individual commands like http://www.freebasic.net/wiki/wikka.php ... KeyPgInput work just fine.

EDIT: As far as I can tell, the wiki is running on WikkaWiki version 1.1.6.0 which is about 3 years old. The current version 1.1.6.5 is only a few months old, and probably has a lot of security and stability fixes.

TheMG · Post by **TheMG** » Feb 04, 2009 20:04

I get that error on that page too.

KristopherWindsor · Post by **KristopherWindsor** » Feb 04, 2009 20:20

OK, the second link is broken, but the first one isn't.
Probably php.ini can fix this by allowing more memory per script.

DOS386 · Post by **DOS386** » Feb 05, 2009 10:55

http://www.freebasic.net/wiki/wikka.php ... gFullIndex this one is bugged

John Spikowski · Post by **John Spikowski** » Feb 06, 2009 6:18

The site was been down a few times last month and now the wiki is self destructing. I think the members here have to come to the realization that there is no motivation from "Phat Code" to update a custom forum or bring supporting infrastructure up to date.

Maybe it would be best to use one of the free forum offerings hosted by a well known service. The Programmer's Haven never seems to be down and you only have to put up with a few ads.

It would be a shame to see all this irreplaceable knowledge be lost or captive to the software levels it was created under.

Matthew has enough on his plate to have to worry about keeping this site healthy as well. I think it's time for some of the full time members here to put their heads together and come up with a contingency plan.

marinedalek · Post by **marinedalek** » Feb 06, 2009 6:24

"The object of oratory is not truth but persuasion."
- Thomas Babington Macaulay

John Spikowski · Post by **John Spikowski** » Feb 06, 2009 6:58

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Post by **Imortis** » Feb 06, 2009 7:05

John Spikowski wrote:F.U.D.

You just won't quit, will you. You persist is trying to convince people that this project is in danger of disappearing, or dissolving, or otherwise evaporating into nothingness... You have been told repeatedly by several members that there is no danger of that ever happening, yet you still persist? Why?

I don't mind having you at this forum, in fact, I welcome your involvement, but you need to stop spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

All you are doing when you post like that is making yourself look bad, and scaring new members. The problem with the wiki is a simple param in the php.ini file. 30 second fix, tops. It's not that big of a deal.

When phatcode goes down, it is never down for everyone. It is only a small portion. From what I understand, it is no fault of Phatcode, Plazma, or anything else that anyone could reasonably point a finger at. It's just plain old technical difficulty.

I don't care if you post here. Even if I did, it wouldn't matter because it is not my place to tell you not too, all that I ask is that you try not to be so negative in every post. The FB-pocolypse is not around the corner. The four horseman of C, VB, Pascal, and Java, are not readying their saddles.

As long as there are individuals who are willing to give there time, FB will live. If this forum and server go down, there are others. It will be remade. The Wiki is backed up in CHM format on sourceforge. No info will be lost. The compiler source is on sourceforge. It won't be lost either.

The End is Not Neigh!

Usually I try not to post novels on forums, but sometimes I feel it is required.

I'm done. It's late here. I'm going to bed.

John Spikowski · Post by **John Spikowski** » Feb 06, 2009 7:26

If your car is making weird noises, do you ignore it till your stranded on the side of the road? Your a smart guy, being proactive when there are warnings of trouble ahead is being wise not being negative.

Loss of the member base to down time isn't in anyone best interest. I responded to the previous posted observations and concerns. Why pick on me just because I don't subscribe to the theory if you close your eyes long enough your problems will go away.

TheMG · Post by **TheMG** » Feb 06, 2009 14:42

But the problem isn't an engine failure, its a broken indicator. It's easy to fix. In this extended metaphor, server downtime is roadworks - it affects us, but its not up to us to fix it.

agamemnus · Post by **agamemnus** » Feb 06, 2009 22:52

John Spikowski wrote:The site was been down a few times last month and now the wiki is self destructing. I think the members here have to come to the realization that there is no motivation from "Phat Code" to update a custom forum or bring supporting infrastructure up to date.

Plasma has nothing to do with the freebasic wiki except for hosting freebasic.com.

Any errors that are a result of the phatcode server being down are site5's fault (which hosts phatcode). Any errors as a result of hackers of ddos attacks... well....

When phatcode goes down, it is never down for everyone. It is only a small portion. From what I understand, it is no fault of Phatcode, Plazma, or anything else that anyone could reasonably point a finger at. It's just plain old technical difficulty.

Never say never. It is often down for everyone. Phatcode has been down for many reasons -- someone runs a rogue script that site5 computers can't control, and the CPUs overload--it all goes down. Someone ddoses freebasic.net, and site5 shuts down phatcode as a precautionary measure. Site5 updates php/mysql/apache versions on their server -- it could break something.

Anyway, here's some good news: A site5 rep has told me that they are moving their servers to a better location, so things shouldn't be down as much.